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Christoffer Clausen



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:07 am    Post subject: Re: #5 Reply with quote
DistantStreams wrote:


Many put down Fenwick but I havenever had any problems with them.


Could you elaborate a bit on this? I have heard the same thing once a while ago, but never really got deeper into it.

@Jonathan:

You have probably made your purchase(s). Here's a my quick input, however. First a bit on the leader issue.
For a couple of years now I have used fluorocarbon leaders, which have an ability to sink as the leader is a bit heavier than the water itself. However, it is as easy to cast with as a regular leader. In this way you get the best from the regular leaders and poly leaders. I have been using these: http://www.riverge.de/ but I know that for instance Loop also make them.

Poly leaders fish excellent, but are too heavy to cast with in my opinion.

By the way. I also use a Loop CWL (the black one). It's working flawlessly - and has been for more than two years now. The handle has corroded, however - even though I have put it in water after most trips.
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Les



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:00 pm    Post subject: suitable light rods in the salt Reply with quote
Can I come in with a request for help on this topic?

This year my wife, Nan, offered to buy me a new rod for my birthday. I fancied a 9foot #5 to use at the GFF Summit so looked through the catalogues and settled on a Vision 3Zone six-piece. Described as "medium fast/mid tip" I thought it would be just the ticket for fishing and travelling. Wrong!
I tried it and quickly put it away at the summit, to be investigated further back home in UK. Tried it today on a small lake fishery, and it handles like a wet noodle! It feels very much "over-lined" and seemed happier with half a DT4F line. Does anyone else have experience of this rod? Have I just got the duff one in the bunch or is this typical?

Anyhow, I've complained to the seller, and we are getting somewhere but not too far yet.

Recognising all the caveats about recomending rods for other people, is anyone prepared to advise on "what works for them"? Sage is out of my range - too fast (usually) and too expensive. I'd fancy a Scierra but am unsure what weight to go for (4/5 or 5/6?? I'd presume the 5/6)and which model in my mid-price range (round the 200 pounds mark). Anyone care to venture an opinion?

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Les
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Feridun



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
@Les:
I think a #5/6 weight rod is good for allround purpose fishing in big rivers and light saltwater.
An example: Scierra HM3 rod ( 3 pcs.) 9 ft #5/6 can fill your dreams Wink
(I am using the same rod in #7/8 since a few months here in Stavanger (Norway) Coasts and i am really happy with it.)
The price is good for the quality ! not too expensive and not too cheap. Buy this rod (Rec. weight 11 gr) and you can choose between floating 6 weight or 5 weight double taper line.

@DistantStreams:
Dear Ripley, what kind of flies are you using with your 5 weight rod at the Danish coasts for seatrout? an example: with a Mallard or Polar Magnus in big sizes must be difficult or not? Rolling Eyes

@Jonathan:
I am using for Seatrouts, Pollacks (Pollachius pollachius) and sometimes for Torsks (Gadus morhua) here in Stavanger coasts:
SCIERRA HMS Scandinavian Saltwater rod in 9'3 ft, # 7/8 , 3-pcs with a Traxion 7/9 Reel. (This is my favorite equipment)

I am not using Shooting Heads anymore > too much work for me Laughing
GUIDELINE Pounch Pro is now my favorite floating line at the coasts. But be careful: they wrote on the original flyline packs 32 Meters and its not true ! I got them in 29 meters and one of them was only 26 meters Evil or Very Mad But 25 meters are long enough for my mission Wink

I am using STROFT GTM 0,25 mm in 8 ft.

Regards,
Feridun
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DistantStreams



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:50 am    Post subject: Flies Reply with quote
Hi Feriden,

Basically, I use small flies for Danish sea trout. I never use the Magnus or own any of those varied patterns.
The standard size of hook I use is a size 10 but in Autumn I tend to use smaller 12's and 14's. I have always used small flies and see no need for anything larger than a 8 but I have seen some use a size 2. Slight over-kill in my books.
95% of my fly box is based on small shrimp / scud patterns. I like to use natural imitations like: http://www.globalflyfisher.com/patterns/oeddshrimp/

I have a few of these: http://www.globalflyfisher.com/patterns/epoxy_miracle/ tied on small size 10 and 12 hooks.

However the remaining 5% of my patterns are good old British wet flies. My favourite by far is the Teal , blue and silver: http://www.globalflyfisher.com/patterns/bergman/

I can't say this enough but don't worry to much about fly patterns. I have caught sea trout on everything. It's more the movement through the water.
Most anglers I know, familiar to Danish salt use 2 or 3 of the same patterns as a religion.

Stay small, simple and natural.

Ripley

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Ruza



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:15 am    Post subject: Re: suitable light rods in the salt Reply with quote
Les wrote:
Can I come in with a request for help on this topic?
Recognising all the caveats about recomending rods for other people, is anyone prepared to advise on "what works for them"? Sage is out of my range - too fast (usually) and too expensive. I'd fancy a Scierra but am unsure what weight to go for (4/5 or 5/6?? I'd presume the 5/6)and which model in my mid-price range (round the 200 pounds mark). Anyone care to venture an opinion?

Regards,
Les


Les,

You could also try a custom made rod instead of the well known brands. Ik got myself a custom made 3/4 from the USA for the little streams but they also make heavier rods. I used to own a 'brand-rod' but since i have the custom i wouldn't want anything else. Check out RDPflyrods. And with the current dollar value it can be very low priced as well. Good luck!
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DistantStreams



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:19 am    Post subject: Seriously... Reply with quote
Les,

Would you like to buy my tried, tested and well broken in Fenwick HMG AV?
You've seen it in action...
Offers?

Rippers

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Les



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Guys,
Thanks for taking the time to reply to my request for fly-rod info. - both in the forum and via email - that was very kind.

@Feridun - I think you made a good recomendation there, as did Jesper via email, but before I buy again I will have to try the rod, I was silly to think that a catalogue description would give me a proper idea of rod-action. Be warned, anyone else who thinks its o.k. to buy without a try! A copy-writer's "Med Fast" can feel like a sloppy overlined and incapable twig when you use it!! I'll let you know whether the dealer comes up trumps (I'll sing his praises if he does) or lets me down eventually.

Ripley, you are so kind, but I think you've had the best out of that rod, and you owe it to the dear old thing to keep it into its old age!!

Thanks everyone,
Les
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:00 am    Post subject: ? Reply with quote
Les,

I was joking. Do you think I'd part with the old faithful?! Very Happy

Wink

Rip

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Stephen Wade



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ripley is right.. Dont worry about having 100's of different flies to fish the coast. I use 3 patterns only. They are the simplist to tie and they catch fish. Ripley knows my rusty fly box so he can vouch that one. Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Les, Hi,

best rod is 1 p rod! I also have 3zone 6 p but weight 4. i have it only for trips when i combine biz trips together with fishing. My friend got the same 3zone 4 weight but 3 p and it is compleatly different rod much , much better than mine 6 p.

I will come to you with some offers on private.

rgds

Rolandas
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Pike



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:50 pm    Post subject: Salwater gear Reply with quote
A couple of days ago I returned from my trip to danish salt. During this fishing trip I used 5wt rod instead of my traditional 8wt. The wind was terrible, espcially from north. On many places no heavy rods helped us. When the wind was not so strong, 5wt rod was sufficient for my fishing. The only problem I had was cigar handle. The solution is easy, I will change from 5wt with cigar handle rod to 6wt full wells handle rod.
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Les



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi All,

I said that I would report on the result of my complaint to the firm that sold me a six-piece Vision 3Zone #5 rod. The firm (a LARGE one based in Glasgow, Scotland) swapped the rod for me, despite not being obliged to do so in law. Very Happy

They sent me a 9ft Scierra CTC #5/6. A three piece, so it won't fit inside my rucsac, but it seems a lovely rod and feels like it will be able to cope with the fishing and the fish on the Danish coast next September. Bring it on! In the mean time, I'll give it a good work-out here in Devon, might even try it in the estuaries for mullet and bass next year, + anything else that'll look at a fly. Trout season is finished here till next spring Crying or Very sad

Regards,
Les
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sts



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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best rod is 1 p rod! I (...)


Hi,
there are some really nice multi piece rods on the market where I definetely wouldn't say a one piece is the better rod.
I'm sure that the "same" rod of one manufacturer with different no. of pieces isn't the same, but I'm also sure that the rod with less pieces isn't always the better one.
Stefan
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Les



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Stefan,

Yes, o.k. but I know what Rolandus means. In the hand while actually fishing, the one-piece rod (theoretically) has less weight and no stiffer spots where the ferrules/joints/spigots are. so, all things being the same, its going to be a better rod.

Of course, when you try to put it in your car, or take it on the train, bus or aeroplane its going to be a d*** nuisance. There was a short-lived craze (in the 1970's) for one-piece beach-casting rods in the UK, but they were always taken to the fishing on top of a car. At 11-12+ feet long, they must have required a garage to store them!

Multi-piece rods are a boon when you want to shove the rod in a rucsac, and the modern rods seem well-designed with good actions despite all those joints. Still, with a double thickness of carbon on the overlaps, they do weigh quite a bit more, and that must affect the action compared to the "same" rod with less joints.

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Les
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Les,
sure you have 4 more or less stiffer spots on a 6pc compared to a 2pc (I think 1pc is theory) and that will affect blank action ... at least in theory. But what I wanted to say is that I'm not sure if the rod with less pieces must always be the better one.
Regarding weight: A 6pc Five Rivers FTL blanks, 9', 6 wt, weighs only 45 gramms (a least on my letter scale). Compared to e.g. Sage blanks (that are blanks where I find blank weights on their website) that's a lot lighter than many 4pc blanks.
Maybe another draw back of multi piece blanks can be that the risk of loosen blank parts while fishing of 6pc at least in theory is 3 times greater than with a 2pc. But I think modern manufacturing techniques has minimized that risk in the last years.
In my eyes a 4pc rod is a good compromise.
Stefan
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