Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: The preparation is almost finished
I thought that I would start a new thread here as I did not want to hijack the "long life to GFF" thread and turn it into "Where should Rodney fish?" thread. Anyways, I'm hopping on Lufthansa in two days from now and should be in Valby by Friday afternoon.
I just packed the rods, and the decision was tough. I laid my 4wt, 6wt and 8wt out, and tried to decide which ones to bring, or bring them all. At the end I chose the 6 and 8wt as I am most likely not doing too much grayling or brown trout fishing in streams due to time limitation. I am limited to two fly rods as I am also bringing some spinning rods for my girlfriend Nina.
Ripley and Michael, thank you for your kind suggestions and offers, I really appreciate the feedbacks. My plan is uncertain, right now I have two definite trips planned out. We're spending four nights on Bornholm during the last week of May, and we'll do a road trip to Jutland in the second week of June. During our Jutland road trip, we'll be visiting and fishing with a friend as well as hopefully meeting up with Martin as it turns out we have a mutual friend.
During the rest of my stay, I will fish at various lakes around Zealand, hopefully explore some beaches for garfish and sea trout, as well as making some trips to Tryggevælde Å.
So I was looking at the "An Explosive Evening" thread and listening to Martin's latest podcast, that's rather exciting! It sounds like the sea trout fishing lately on the beach has been excellent? So which area around Zealand should I take a look if I want to do a bit of beach fishing for garfish and sea trout? My flyfishing skill is fairly elementary by the way, because most of my fishing done in British Columbia has been lure and float fishing. The casting distance is still being worked on, hopefully that isn't too much of a disadvantage on the beach.
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 10:35 am Post subject:
Rodney wrote:
Arrived yesterday afternoon, did a short fishing trip this morning to Tryggevælde Å. I managed to connect with a pike and a perch.
Good job Rod!
Tryggevælde is known for some excellent fishing for many different species. You can probably expect to see bream, ide and sea trout plus many other species as well as pike and trophy size perch.
Let's hear what your trip brings.
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 9:18 am Post subject: May 14th: The unforgiving Danish wind
Thanks everyone. Yesterday we spent a morning down around Køge as Martin had recommended but I found the Danish coastal wind to be very unforgiving. Most of my flycasting has always been done in streams and lakes, so I really had no clue what to do on a beach. Instead we turned to our spinning rods and fished with small spoons that I have made up. After several casts I brought in a rimte/ide, my first ever. I was somewhat surprised as I did not think they would strike like a predatory species. Anyways, interesting looking fish with some pretty red fins. No garfish sighted yesterday, but the locals have all talked about how good the fishing has been. Better luck next time I guess. A pretty spot down that way by the way! The drive through the narrow roads was adventurous by the way, it was like a maze while we were trying to figure out where the coast was.
I've been told about ide fishing in the Tryggevælde in the past. While we were there two days ago, I noticed the water was somewhat brown. Have people been successful with ide on the fly? I've tied up these brown/olive/black wooly buggers in size 4 to 8, I wonder if they would entice some ide and perch if slowly stripped near the bottom, or are they not even going to see it...
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: May 14th: The unforgiving Danish wind
Rodney wrote:
but I found the Danish coastal wind to be very unforgiving
Yup! That's coastal fishing for you... the wind is an ever important factor. It only takes about 10-20 years to learn all the tricks: casting backwards, going to the right places in any wind direction, finding spots with wind but no dirt etc.
Rodney wrote:
...with small spoons that I have made up. After several casts I brought in a rimte/ide, my first ever. I was somewhat surprised as I did not think they would strike like a predatory species.
I've been told about ide fishing in the Tryggevælde in the past. While we were there two days ago, I noticed the water was somewhat brown. Have people been successful with ide on the fly? I've tied up these brown/olive/black wooly buggers in size 4 to 8, I wonder if they would entice some ide and perch if slowly stripped near the bottom, or are they not even going to see it...
I have fished ide on the coast (right by Tryggevælde outside the protected zone) and other places. They seem quite content with almost anything, but prefer stuff on the bottom it seems. I'd go for some bream nymphs or just bright, shiny, heavy nymphs or buggers on a sinking line.
Personally I would much rather sight fish for them in the clear ocean water, but your mileage may vary...
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: May 14th: The unforgiving Danish wind
Rodney wrote:
I found the Danish coastal wind to be very unforgiving.
So did I. But surprisingly, even though I am not an experienced flyfisher, I have achieved easier and longer casts under the windy conditions. It was even difficult to cast with spinning gear the other day, but the flyline turned out to be the right choice. I reckon the right wind can enhance your flyfishing experience.
Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: Ide?
Ide in the salt water? or I just misunderstood something?
If we are talking the same fish, this is a very common fish in the streams and lakes in Slovakia, and a very frequent catch even for the beginners. It is a real predator as for its behaviour, though very timid. It can be caught on anything basically, small streamers as well as dry flies and nymphs (to say nothing about wobblers if spinning)
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Ide?
vanuz wrote:
Ide in the salt water? or I just misunderstood something?
The ide (Leuciscus idus) do go into the salt, even though the salt isn't that salty alt all. We're talking the brackish water of the Baltic here, but anyway...
But the fish can also be caught in the streams and lakes.
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: May 14th: The unforgiving Danish wind
vanuz wrote:
[It was even difficult to cast with spinning gear the other day, but the flyline turned out to be the right choice. I reckon the right wind can enhance your flyfishing experience.
I told you so... ;-)
I actually detest calm conditions on the coast. Casting with a good wind is much better and catching is soooo much better when there's some wave action and you'd be amazed how much wind can be overcome and produce fish.
This little Windows video from one of our Bornholm trips proves my point. Kasper dragged four big sea trout of this inferno.
WInd is a good thing on the coast as long as it is on your side.
Martin _________________ Martin Joergensen
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Though windy during the day, the weather picked up and ended like this. I could not resist to share this photo with you (it looks much better when enlarged). My colleague was holding a spinning rod, sorry for this faux pas, I was the one flyfishing.
P.S. I do not know if I am just unlucky, however, since the garfish appeared, I have not hooked any seatrouts ever since. Is anyone else also hopeless this way?
Martin, last Sunday did not seem so windy after I watched that video.
Thanks for the information on ide. I am always very interested in finding new species and techniques, I will definitely want to try it out.
The protective zone just outside Tryggevælde, how big is it and is it marked? I can't remember the distance from the river mouth where you are not allowed to fish... _________________ Rodney Hsu
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Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 356 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject:
Rodney wrote:
The protective zone just outside Tryggevælde, how big is it and is it marked? I can't remember the distance from the river mouth where you are not allowed to fish...
Large rivers are protected all year in a 500 meters half circle outside the estuary, meaning that you have to go half a kilometer along the beach before you can fish legally. Most zones are NOT marked.
Smaller streams have the same protection, but only in the winter during the spawning run. I think the dates are November 15th to January 15th.
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 4:54 am Post subject: Wind
Hi,
I, like Martin, hate calm mirror like water in the salt. I prefer and tend more and more towards windy / fresh days.
Looking back, I have caught more larger - basically - more fish on windy / slight coloured water days. I guess the sea trout prefer more noise, water movement and of course more food in the water.
It's not an over night success casting in the wind. You just have to adapt and forget what you have seen at casting demonstrations in sports halls (no wind there) and try to find a way to get that fly out.
Don't be saddened by onshore winds. You'll be surprised just how many fish lurk close to shore in the hubbub of weed, dirt and food!
Enuff said...
Ripley
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A onshore very blustery wind, cloudy water produced 8 nice sea trout in 3 hours in a spot normally packed with anglers. That day - Only me!!! I guess the wind put them off. Pity, what a time they missed...
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