A Drift Inside

Ok Jan, I hope you can visit and learn about Latin America, and also fish in these lands. Show styles, strategies and ways to involve South American fly fishing history and the question would be extended to talk on this site, but if I could pass some material for you to learn more. But there is something to get literature about this, for example Bill Leitch's book on his adventures in Patagonia 70's and there are others.
Well, our conversation was very good, I hope I have contributed something interesting, not only for fly fishing but also for understanding and relations between fishermen from different latitudes
Greetings!
Ernesto

Jan, I'm sure there are much bigger problems than thinking about fly fishing as an ideological position, but as we are discussing fly fishing on this site understand that what we discuss is fly fishing only.
Please read what I wrote to Martin, I think it's clear what I mean by Eurocentric positions, and as I said I'm only against some explicit conduct of some individuals and corporations, this is what I mean by Eurocentric position or posture yanki demonstrated only by some. Although I express it only through a political position without any kind of phobia, or ethnic or any other kind.
Obviously that salmon and trout that we have in South American are of European origin, it is impossible to deny, but it seems in his assertion that there is a vested right of everyone on these animals now inhabiting South America? I do not understand it that way.
I do not know if you know Latin America, but it is interesting to know not only the fly fishing, but something else that has to do with culture and way of being from Latin American to understand the dynamics that exist in these latitudes. I respect your opinion and I thank the editors for publishing the Global Flyfisher these interesting conversations
Ernesto

Jan, the idea of having an ideology in fly fishing and a South American tradition is not so hard to think. It is a political stance in defense of their own national icons of fly fishing, in professing a form of fish, in defense of a policy of open water throughout the Latin American territory and against the appropriation of some lodges and fishing operators who use the territory on behalf of foreign clients.
Here in Latin America have a different style of fishing to the European or the U.S. that has developed over the years, and many of us cherish this style. We fish with single hand rod, fish without dropper, with flies developed by our fly tiers and other details difficult to enumerate. This show an ideological and political position translated into a South American fly fishing tradition. So also say that foreign icons like Anderson, Mel Kriger, Lefty Kreh and others mean nothing to us because they do not know our surroundings and not part of our tradition of fly fishing.
Likewise Scandinavian, French, Americans also have their style, a singular ideology and tradition, just look to get a sense of it.
I hope to have explained this idea
Ernesto

Dear friend Martin: thank you for the answer that is without a doubt very relevant, but from a different position from mine. In fact we are in different places and dealing with different things, while the surroundings and cultures.
I have no aversion to Europeans nor the Americans, but hate to Eurocentric and colonialist positions as it has many yankis and some Europeans. I hate and position myself completely against the corporations, particularly that coming from Europe and the United States of America, and when it comes to fly fishing appear Loop, Orvis and others, that while not characterized as corporations (they are small for this!) think and act as if they were, conquering some jerks in South America who think that joining with these companies are capable to gain best hierarchy and social positions.
About spey and underhand, I like that you understand that I not discuss them as fishing techniques themselves, but as ideological aspects, that constituting a different image to those developed in South American flyfishing, and that from other latitudes try invade our lands to conquest the local fisherman as another pervasive cultural element. I admit that I also use the underhand as a fly cast tool, but rather technical and not ideological.
About the qualities of Anderson I don't argue, only to watch that him serve as the figures for these small corporations try to convince us that the better world going to the strange, when the reality is the better world is in our rivers, in our trout, which are new, vigorous and targeted greed by European and North American, how other resources available here.
I emphasize that our positions are completely different, you understood my criticism by the technique side, because your European tadition, but has nothing of this, as South American I'm calling attention to a cultural process to which no one notices what is happening for many years in fly fishing in Latin America, trying transform our taste and our form of being favoring a marketing proposal.
Greetings, Ernesto

This icon of Scandinavian fishing only reflects his technical bias in marketing now appropriate for the Loop. This modality of spey cast has become a invasive phenomenon proposed by Loop Flyfishing and that is a strategy of market to reach and tries to impose from the technics to the equipment in waters that are completely extrange to those of Patagonia. For the fishermen with ideology and knowledge of South American tradition of our surroundings, nor Anderson or Mel Krieguer, nor any other icon invented by Eurocentric or North American field means nothing! Despite the fact that there are traitors and South American worshipers of these deities invented by such holders of the market as Loop and other companies in fly fishing!